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ctmaher
9/26/2010 11:56 PM
Well I did it again....it's this damn disease we all have. I picked up a 1984 Euro 500SEL off Craigslist here in Phoenix....car was brought in to California in 1983 and I'd say it's spent it's whole life here in the southwest. It's 737 white with 957 Henna Red velour (not a combo you see everyday). Full hydro suspension, power rear seat, ortho front seats, air bag, ABS, climate control,limited slip, fire extinguisher, sunroof. Fully loaded as Euro's go. Original paint is in excellent condition, there is not so much as a ding in the body. Still has original Euro bumpers and headlights. Interior is real good except I need to replace the horsehair pads and there is a hole in the driver seat in the middle of the cushion. It needs a good cleaning. Original books and datacard in glove box.

Ok, thats the good, the ugly is that the hydraulic oil reservoir has a broken off filler neck where the dipstick goes (need a new tank)....I filled it with fluid and got the back up after bleeding air out of system. The front refuses to budge. I'll have to investigate that further, it got too dark out to continue tonight. I have to rebuild the transmission, it won't move the car and it leaks like a sieve. Needs engine mounts and a tune up to get rid of a miss at idle. But there is no valve train noise. And the best part, I got it real cheap.....it was impounded after the teen driving it got pulled over for driving with no license, well I guess it pulled itself over, when the transmission would no longer move the car.

I have a sick fetish for Euro 126's with velour seats and hydropneumatic suspension. Maybe this will cure me or make me worse, I don't know.

I'll take some pics in the next day or so and post them.


Chris in Phoenix
1987 420SEL
1984 500SEL Euro
1982 280SL Euro
1977 450SEL 6.9 Euro
1971 300SEL 3.5
Parts cars:
1986 560SEL
1975 350SL
1969 300SEL 6.3
1971 300SEL 3.5
1979 450SEL 6.9
alabbasi
9/27/2010 12:08 AM
Chris

Your list of cars is getting out of control. You need to get a handle on that. I think I may have a spare reservoir from a W126 but I wont be sure until next week. If I do, you're welcome to it.

The Euro W126 is a nice little car, how do you like it compared to your 420SEL?
ctmaher
9/27/2010 1:05 AM
I did up a Euro 500SEL for a friend years ago, same suspension, real nice car. I remember it was very fast, and the suspension was well, like a 6.9....like floating on a magic carpet. After I get it sorted out, I'll be able to do a valid comparison to my 420SEL. I may even decide to sell the 420 if the conditions are right. Bottom line is, I love that car....it was an original owner car, all the paperwork, etc. Ivory with brown leather, and even with 230,000 miles, still feels like a new car. You ever have that one car you don't think you would ever sell? Well, my 420SEL is that car for me. So if I can get this 500SEL as nice as my 420 is, then I may change my mind.

This 500SEL, it appears, was another one of those cars that was the personal car of the gray market importer....the name on the door sticker is the same as the name on the old registration documents in the glove box. I think it was sold to the last owner, the teenager, only in the last few months, so it is, in effect, a one owner car.

If you can get your hands on that reservoir, that would be awesome Al. Let me know.

Chris
Stu Hammel
9/27/2010 3:33 AM
Chris,

Best of luck with the new 126. Of the cars I own, my favorite is my 1983 euro 500sel. It is silbergrun metallic with perfect green velour, sunroof,climate control, heated seats front and rear, etc. It has 267,000km on the clock. It is nearly as powerful as the 6.9 and has an equivalent ride. The car was in California from 1984 on and spent all of its life in the garage. I bought the car on ebay a couple of years ago and just absolutely love it. It has been trouble-free. I just took delivery of my latest addition on Friday. It is a 1993 300ce Cabriolet: 199 pearl black/black leather, etc. Took it on a nice top-down run today.

Again, best of luck with your car.

Stu
mpmorris
9/27/2010 10:25 AM
Score Chris!!

No, this purchase won't cure you, just feeds the disease until the next one.

I had an '80 500 with pneumatics for years. Couldn't kill that car.

The 380SEC that I bought last month for the grill and misc parts to assemble my 500SEC AMG turned out to be a driver. I bought it site unseen and discovered that there wasn't anything wrong except a yoyo had started diagnosing a bad fuel pump relay by replacing the fuel distributor, coil and stuff. The fuel pump was in the trunk -put that back on, bridged the relay and started the car. I've been driving it for 2 weeks now. The car sat for 4 years.

mpm
ctmaher
9/27/2010 2:52 PM
Here are some pictures I took today.

http://picasaweb.google.com/ctmaher68/500SEL#

Chris
cakalues
9/27/2010 4:35 PM
Awesome interior. I love the uniqueness. I have never seen that color velour before.

Luis
109.018-12-000010
109.018-12-000019
109.018-12-000042
109.018-12-000077
109.018-12-001377
The Broken Arrow
mtrei
9/27/2010 5:12 PM
I'm always looking for cars with the trip computer.



Ron B
9/27/2010 5:45 PM
What model engine does it have?
I am doing an engine swap at the moment ( M117 into W111) and the owner had bought a donor 500SEL ( Champagne with Burgundy leather,ex Hong Kong) . The 500 had full service history from new and was written off after it was rear ended. It wasn't until last week when he dropped the engine into home I discovered it was a very special car. No hydro suspension but every thing else .
The engine is the SA (RuF) M117 -965 . No Cats, no air pump,(although they were designed to accept them as a retrofit) 10-1 compression,560 heads,huge freeflow exhaust manifolds, 265 HP.
The trans is the usual 722-331 but with the sport mode switch .
I need to check the Diff to see if it has legendary Torson unit.It does have LSD according to the data plate.
Cost? $1000.






quote:
12-14-2004, 11:49 PM #8
Tom Hanson
MBCA Member

What the heck, try to stuff a MB 6.9 liter V8 in it. What a machine that would be..
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ctmaher
9/27/2010 8:33 PM
Ron, it's a 117.963 and a 722.311 transmission.

Chris
bwostosh
9/27/2010 10:19 PM
sometimes it is just crazy that good stuff is going for not much $$

Brian O.
Ron B
9/28/2010 4:52 PM
Brian,Neither the original seller of the car or the present owner knew what they had other wise the manifolds alone would have fetched many hundreds of dollars . Also,these manifolds are listed in the EPC as " not suitable for catalytic convertors.." [:D]


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12-14-2004, 11:49 PM #8
Tom Hanson
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What the heck, try to stuff a MB 6.9 liter V8 in it. What a machine that would be..
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etmerritt33
9/29/2010 7:28 PM
Wish you guys had brought this to light before I bought my 280E beater car. These sound like some really neat cars with some cool and rare options. How quick are the 500 SEL's???
Art Love
9/29/2010 11:40 PM
Depends which version. None came officially to Australia, so all here are grey market. The Euro cars are quicker over the quarter mile than most 6.3's and a lot quicker above 90 MPH with a higher top speed. They are a lot quicker over the quarter mile than a 6.9 with a similar top speed. The 5.6L cars are a little quicker again. UK delivery cars are the quickest as far as I know as they have no antipollution gear at all. California cars are probably the slowest, but I suspect would still beat a California late version 6.3 at everything except getting off the mark.

There are a pile of different versions as Ron's posting suggests.
Art
alabbasi
9/30/2010 2:44 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Art Love

Depends which version. None came officially to Australia, so all here are grey market. The Euro cars are quicker over the quarter mile than most 6.3's and a lot quicker above 90 MPH with a higher top speed. They are a lot quicker over the quarter mile than a 6.9 with a similar top speed. The 5.6L cars are a little quicker again. UK delivery cars are the quickest as far as I know as they have no antipollution gear at all. California cars are probably the slowest, but I suspect would still beat a California late version 6.3 at everything except getting off the mark.

There are a pile of different versions as Ron's posting suggests.
Art


I'm not sure about the 6.3 as I have yet to drive mine. But I have had and driven a number of 5.0 liter cars. I personally owned the following:

450SLC 5.0
500SL
500SLC
500SEL
500SEC
560SEL (US)
560SEC (US)
560SEC (Euro 300hp).

With the exception of the Euro 560SEC, none of the above models are capable of overtaking like my 6.9. There is an on ramp on my way home that merges onto another highway. If the dedicated lane to that highway is clear, I can usually tell that there was "no one" behind me and no one capable of sitting in front of me so every now and then, I boot it up the on ramp as I merge.

The 6.9 will out accelerate all of the cars in the above list with the exception of the Euro 560sec which is a slingshot. I hit 130 tomatoes per hour in that car before backing off.


With best regards

Al
1970 Mercedes Benz 280SL California Coupe
1971 Mercedes Benz 250CE (RHD in the UK)
1971 Mercedes Benz 300SEL 6.3
1972 Mercedes Benz 280CE 4 speed
1973 Mercedes Benz 280CE 4 speed
1973 Mercedes Benz 350SE 4 speed
1976 Mercedes Benz 300D
1979 Mercedes Benz 450SEL 6.9
1981 Mercedes Benz 500SLC
1984 Mercedes Benz 500SL
1988 Mercedes Benz 560SEC Euro
1991 Mercedes Benz 560SEL
1973 GMC LWB Pickup
1962 Jaguar MKII 3.8 Auto
2006 Adidas Samba


Ron B
9/30/2010 2:44 AM
This particular car sounded like a Nascar stocker at idle ...[:D] .The only engine with more power in M117 range was Germany only M117-965 560 SA RuF with 220KW. While it may not sound much compared with a new Chev LS with 300KW ,it must be remembered that these were built in the mid 80's [8D]

quote:
12-14-2004, 11:49 PM #8
Tom Hanson
MBCA Member

What the heck, try to stuff a MB 6.9 liter V8 in it. What a machine that would be..
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ctmaher
10/1/2010 2:16 PM
Just a quick update on my hydro suspension issue on the 500SEL. When I first got the car home, I was able to get the back end up, but the front refused to raise. I put a jack under the front and raised it up to let the front wheels hang while the engine was running. I heard a few pops and hisses and then put it back down and voila!, she is sitting on all four at the right height now. Must have been an air pocket and it needed to be burped. I think a set of spheres and a new reservoir and and fluid change and the suspension will be ok.

Chris
alabbasi
10/1/2010 5:14 PM
A trick that i've used in the past is to jump up and down on the bumper which seems to free things up. As your car is a Euro, you don't have much of a bumper :-)

With best regards

Al
1970 Mercedes Benz 280SL California Coupe
1971 Mercedes Benz 250CE (RHD in the UK)
1971 Mercedes Benz 300SEL 6.3
1972 Mercedes Benz 280CE 4 speed
1973 Mercedes Benz 280CE 4 speed
1973 Mercedes Benz 350SE 4 speed
1976 Mercedes Benz 300D
1979 Mercedes Benz 450SEL 6.9
1981 Mercedes Benz 500SLC
1984 Mercedes Benz 500SL
1988 Mercedes Benz 560SEC Euro
1991 Mercedes Benz 560SEL
1973 GMC LWB Pickup
1962 Jaguar MKII 3.8 Auto
2006 Adidas Samba


karra
10/31/2010 6:21 PM
I decided to sell my 1968 280 SE coupe when a serious buyer appeared in September. I was thinking what to buy and ended up choosing a 560 SEC.

I was lucky to find in Germany a suitable car that needs some attention, it has not been on the road for 10 years but can be driven though.

Options:

245 on-board computer (from 01.09.1983)
430 headrests in the rear (from 01.01.1977)
442 airbag in steering wheel (from 01.02.1980 up to 31.10.1993)
551 anti-theft warning system (from 01.11.1978 up to 31.03.1998)
581 automatic climate control (from 01.01.1977)
682 fire extinguisher (from 01.04.1970)
873 seat heater for left and right front seats (from 01.02.1984)
929 nautical blue metallic (from 01.01.1984)
275 leather pebble or mushroom

It arrrived to Finland last weekend and yesterday I picked it up from Helsinki port area.

The version is the full power 220kW/300hp non-catalyst model. So, with free flowing exhaust headers like Ron described, high compression M117 engine, and if I understood right this is so called ECE version. RUF version was with an option to add the catalytic converter.

In 1987/1988 the ECE version was dropped off and the RUF was then the full 220 kW/300 hp version with an option to add catalytic converter. A catalyst version produced 278 hp vs the RUF 300 hp. On later models there was a knocking-sensor but the early ECE has none of these like also no oxygen (lambda) sensor.

I will go through the car during winter to get it in safe running shape for the summer season.



















Kari Pykäläinen

1971 6.3 #5581
1987 560 SEC
1993 E420
1995 Tahoe 350cid
1982 Stingray SV175
Ron B
11/1/2010 10:00 PM
It has the drive computor too? Thats a great car!

quote:
12-14-2004, 11:49 PM #8
Tom Hanson
MBCA Member

What the heck, try to stuff a MB 6.9 liter V8 in it. What a machine that would be..
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karra
11/2/2010 12:59 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ron B

It has the drive computor too? Thats a great car!


Yes, it is nice. By the way, the car was checked and loaded on the truck by a fellow called Stefan near Frankfurt [;)] .

Kari Pykäläinen

1971 6.3 #5581
1987 560 SEC
1993 E420
1995 Tahoe 350cid
1982 Stingray SV175
Ron B
11/2/2010 4:42 PM
quote:
Originally posted by karra

quote:
Originally posted by Ron B

It has the drive computor too? Thats a great car!


Yes, it is nice. By the way, the car was checked and loaded on the truck by a fellow called Stefan near Frankfurt [;)] .

Kari Pykäläinen

1971 6.3 #5581
1987 560 SEC
1993 E420
1995 Tahoe 350cid
1982 Stingray SV175


Dr Q seems to turn up some interesting cars...[:)]
http://cgi.ebay.de/Mercedes-Benz-w107-450-SL-Motor-M100-6-9-/180581490378?pt=Automobile&hash=item2a0b7edeca

quote:
12-14-2004, 11:49 PM #8
Tom Hanson
MBCA Member

What the heck, try to stuff a MB 6.9 liter V8 in it. What a machine that would be..
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Art Love
11/2/2010 6:36 PM
I find it interesting to compare the instrument cluster on this Euro model and my Australian delivery 1991 version. Standard original delivery in Australia had 186KW as I recall. A 200KW version was available fairly early in Australia, a friend had one. It is my belief that the factory progressively changed the engine during the production series and that the 200KW engine became standard. This information was never provided by M-B Australia.

Some of the differences are due to the drive computer consuming the tacho/clock space, but what I find most interesting are the completely different gear shift points. The Euro 1st gear goes to 60kph, the Australian to 78kph, 2nd on the Euro goes to 122kph and the Australian to 130kph and 3rd on the Euro 198kph with 205kph on the local version. Seems to me that while the engine is different, so is the gearbox. I presume the lower shift points would suggest quicker acceleration for the Euro regardless of the engine output, but would be happy to be corrected.





Art
karra
11/6/2010 6:57 PM
Well, I was planning for something else for my money but on Friday a week ago a 1965 220SE Coupé turned out for sale. I bought it.

Plan is to have it in roadworthy condition in 2011 and in the coming winter 2011-2012 the car will get the final touch to be put in the Vintage Register.

It is a complete driveable car with no missing parts, bodywork once done and resprayed in the 90's in south Sweden. White colour, black leather, sunroof, manual gearbox, no (other) extras. Not driven for the last 10 years, engine runs lean (this will be the task) but the engine is a factory replacement one by (the dealer) Philippsons AB Sweden.

Kari Pykäläinen

1965 220 SE Coupé
1971 6.3 #5581
1987 560 SEC
1993 E420
1995 Tahoe 350cid
1982 Stingray SV175
Craig Tucker
11/6/2010 9:03 PM
Could be the diff ratio Art???

C.T.

1969 300SEL 6.3 (to be AMG 6.8 replica) #1268
1971 300SEL 6.3 #5713
1970 600 SWB #1692
1993 300E-24
1959 220SE Ponton #9500929
1983 Schuler 5.0lt Range Rover
Art Love
11/6/2010 9:57 PM
Craig,
I have no idea and was hoping that someone would respond that did. So far, no one has[xx(], (except you[:)]).
Art
mtrei
11/6/2010 11:38 PM
The speedo marks are the maximum speed allowed in each gear, not really the "shift point", and correspond to the red line in that gear. Because both tachos have the same (6K) red line, the difference suggests a different rear end ratio.
Art Love
11/7/2010 2:07 AM
Michael,
Why do you think they would do that? Would it be to improve fuel economy in the detoxed Australian version? I take your point on my incorrect usage of "shift point"; I meant maximum shift point. These cars will, in fact, run readilly to 6000rpm in each gear before they change if you put your foot flat to the floor and keep it there[:D]. A few members have posted that they own US vesions of this car as well, and I wonder what is on the US speedo.
Art
Craig Tucker
11/7/2010 3:07 AM
I know of a "secret" fuse that can be removed.........meaning the speeds attained in any gear can be well and truely "exceeded".

Most modern benz V8's will happily rev at 7500rpm all day every day. The trick is to find the fuse/relay/rotor button[;)].

C.T.

1969 300SEL 6.3 (to be AMG 6.8 replica) #1268
1971 300SEL 6.3 #5713
1970 600 SWB #1692
1993 300E-24
1959 220SE Ponton #9500929
1983 Schuler 5.0lt Range Rover
karra
11/7/2010 4:01 AM
One recent photo of my latest car:





The rims remained at the seller. I have the original 13" with complete hubcaps/rings with the car now.

I was wondering if the long chrome/aluminium moulding was available as an option as probably the wheel arch trims were...

Kari Pykäläinen

1965 220 SE Coupé
1971 6.3 #5581
1987 560 SEC
1993 E420
1995 Tahoe 350cid
1982 Stingray SV175
Art Love
11/7/2010 4:52 AM
They were standard on the 300SE as I'm sure you know. I guess if you wanted, you could buy the 300SE parts and drill the holes. That is what has been done, not only on your car, but many others.

Whether that is what would be called an option is arguable. I don't believe that the factory delivered 220SE, 250SE, 280SE or 280SE 3.5 cars with those chrome parts. So, if I am correct, they were not an "option".
Art
karra
11/7/2010 6:50 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Art Love

They were standard on the 300SE as I'm sure you know. I guess if you wanted, you could buy the 300SE parts and drill the holes. That is what has been done, not only on your car, but many others.

Whether that is what would be called an option is arguable. I don't believe that the factory delivered 220SE, 250SE, 280SE or 280SE 3.5 cars with those chrome parts. So, if I am correct, they were not an "option".
Art
Thanks Art, the first part I knew. The later is good to know, I probably have to do some explaining at the Vintage Register inspection if the mouldings were not a real option. But, if the modifocation took place more than 30 year ago then it should be fine (who knows [:p] ).

Kari Pykäläinen

1965 220 SE Coupé
1971 6.3 #5581
1987 560 SEC
1993 E420
1995 Tahoe 350cid
1982 Stingray SV175
mtrei
11/7/2010 9:39 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Art Love

Why do you think they would do that? Would it be to improve fuel economy in the detoxed Australian version?


Mercedes often uses different rear end ratios in different markets to suit the driving style and requirements of each country. Having said that, I would have thought that they would put the taller gear in the German market car where high speed driving is more likely. On the other hand, I expect that this car is electronically limited to 250kph, so your theory about a taller gear for fuel economy on the AUS version make sense.
Art Love
11/7/2010 5:49 PM
Kari,
It's a cosmetic alteration only. I can't imagine that your vehicle registration people would find that a problem. If they are like ours, it is mechanical alterations that they are interested in.

If would be of any help to you, I can take a picture of the 250SE coupe that Three Point have down the hill from me, because it has exactly the same chrome additions, and send it to you. Then you would have a picture of the same model of car from the other side of the earth that looks exactly the same as yours.
Art
Ron B
11/8/2010 1:52 AM
quote:
Originally posted by karra

I decided to sell my 1968 280 SE coupe when a serious buyer appeared in September. I was thinking what to buy and ended up choosing a 560 SEC.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnRwrYIdzZ4
[8D][8D]

quote:
12-14-2004, 11:49 PM #8
Tom Hanson
MBCA Member

What the heck, try to stuff a MB 6.9 liter V8 in it. What a machine that would be..
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karra
11/8/2010 5:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ron B

quote:
Originally posted by karra

I decided to sell my 1968 280 SE coupe when a serious buyer appeared in September. I was thinking what to buy and ended up choosing a 560 SEC.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnRwrYIdzZ4
[8D][8D]

Yes yes, last time I saw this was on a big screen at our Club meeting/weekend wrenching few weeks ago.

But, only now I can see that the Coupe is 85 mm shorter than a sedan.

quote:
Originally posted by Art Love

Kari,
It's a cosmetic alteration only. I can't imagine that your vehicle registration people would find that a problem. If they are like ours, it is mechanical alterations that they are interested in.

If would be of any help to you, I can take a picture of the 250SE coupe that Three Point have down the hill from me, because it has exactly the same chrome additions, and send it to you. Then you would have a picture of the same model of car from the other side of the earth that looks exactly the same as yours.
Art
I appreciate. The need of photos will be some time next year but certainly you can send whenever suits you to: kari.pykalainen at pp1.inet.fi

I have been working in my garage on my boat for a few days now; it is a bit different though but rewarding. And a good progress is taking place and I hope I can take the SEC in the garage before Xmas.

Somebody seems to be bringing empty beer cans in my garage; I wonder who. I will return to office work in Dec 16; I need to get my act together by that. My right arm is working fairly well after surgery but the extendability is poor plus no strength [:)] .

Kari Pykäläinen

1965 220 SE Coupé
1971 6.3 #5581
1987 560 SEC
1993 E420
1995 Tahoe 350cid
1982 Stingray SV175
ctmaher
11/22/2010 9:41 PM
Here is a little update to the 500SEL Euro. I removed the cover from the rear seat and the padding was gone, like shredded wheat all over the floor. The velour was still in good shape so I pulled the horsehair pad from a parts 560SEL with leather that I had laying around. I had to modify the pad slightly to accept the velour, but it was not too involved. I sewed a new piece of tacking strip and edging to the rear of the velour cover and installed it on the frame with the 560 pad and if you look at the last few pictures on this site, you will see the finished product. Cleaned up pretty good with a good vacuuming too. I now have to tackle the front seats, new pads from MB and I'm going to try to dye some parchment velour material that I have to a color that hopefully will match the Henna Red. Then I will replace the worn out sections in the covers.

Here is the link:

http://picasaweb.google.com/ctmaher68/500SEL#

Chris
Ron B
11/23/2010 3:52 PM
I suspect your seat springs will be broken too by the look of the drivers seat. The passenger side seat spring box is the same part so get one from base model like a 260 or 280 .I manage to swap them in about 4.5 minutes .I have also found that moving the seat to get them out (if powered) can be managed by hooking a battery jump pack to the plug under the front of the seat and moving it back and forth. It pays to have the seat in the fully raised setting too.
The strings for the nets can be replaced at the same time by carefully removing the rear panel. The plastic trim has clips which are designed to break when repairs are carried out [:D],they slide up and sideways..[;)]

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12-14-2004, 11:49 PM #8
Tom Hanson
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What the heck, try to stuff a MB 6.9 liter V8 in it. What a machine that would be..
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Art Love
11/23/2010 4:59 PM
Kari,
I sent you an e.mail via this Board, but have had no response. I have the pictures of the W111. If you send me an e.mail to artlove@bigpond.net.au so I have your e.mail address, I shall send them to you.
Art
unpolire
12/18/2010 4:28 PM
Nice paint! How can you tell ortho seats on a W140? There's no strap down the back like older models.
quote:
Originally posted by ctmaher

Here are some pictures I took today.

http://picasaweb.google.com/ctmaher68/500SEL#

Chris
karra
3/20/2011 6:08 AM
Quick update on my two new project cars: 560SEC has had a quite full service and it passed MOT a week ago without any problems. It is in my storage garage now.

I got the 220 SEb coupe home immediately and started to look for the problems that cause poor running (runs lean).

I did the usual route;
- ignition tour (checked that the distributor was installed correctly after a factory replacement engine has gone in, new cap + rotor + plugs + cables + condenser and timing + points gapping)
- then checked the fuel transfer pump capacity plus replaced the fuel filter and all the rubber hoses
- saw that the MFIP and air controller linkage was totally incorrect
- saw the MFIP thermostat air supply line to intake manifold was plugged to prevent the air intake during cold run period
- saw that the MFIP was filled with oil up to the filler cap, drained excess oil
- realised that the idle fuel screw on the back of the MFIP does not work

All this resulted that the motor will not run at all unless I use right hand to control the MFIP and left hand to control the air control lever.

I got a spare MFIP and had to change the thermo unit from the old one. Now the motor runs with the replacement MFIP.

I could blame the Vikings; the car cam from Malmö, south Sweden and for sure a Viking has plaeyd with the car as the underneath is covered totally with tar (Viking Boat tar) [:D] .

I am glad it runs now. Next stage is to check the brakes plus all what is needed for MOT control.









The interior needs small attention, seats are black leather. The bumpers have been rechromed once but the top parts ar in poor condition (Vikings again), top sections are being rechromed once more just now.

Kari Pykäläinen

1965 220 SE Coupé
1971 6.3 #5581
1987 560 SEC
1993 E420
1995 Tahoe 350cid
1982 Stingray SV175
Ron B
3/20/2011 5:20 PM
mine was covered in tar too ,but as the vikings find out,the smallest little hole allows the ocean in and the salt water eats everything and you sink...


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12-14-2004, 11:49 PM #8
Tom Hanson
MBCA Member

What the heck, try to stuff a MB 6.9 liter V8 in it. What a machine that would be..
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Orange County Section
mthomas
3/21/2011 11:45 AM
Karra, I think those 300SE chrome strips were an option on the 250SE cars. I looked at one here a 1966 250SE and the wise old german mechanic told me it was a special option that was factory ordered...I think I have a pic around here somewhere...It was on the same lot as Ron's "luftwaffe" car. This car has sold about three times since I saw it and I think it is in Texas now.
Mike
ctmaher
3/21/2011 12:53 PM
Yes, even on the 220. I did a partial restoration on a 64 220SEb back in the 90's that had the chrome trim and it was obvious when I removed it that it had been factory installed.

Chris
karra
3/22/2011 3:12 AM
Thanks fellows! I think I will try to order the Data Card at the dealer, that will tell something. They provided data card for my ex-1968 280SE and my recent 1971 300 SEL 6.3.

Kari Pykäläinen

1965 220 SE Coupé
1971 6.3 #5581
1987 560 SEC
1993 E420
1995 Tahoe 350cid
1982 Stingray SV175
karra
12/21/2013 11:03 AM
After the previous posting I sold the W111 coupe and in spring 2012 bought a 1964 Pagoda to be brought back to life after a looooong storage. That is gone now since May and I have been looking for a new project car. I have something going on but I will not reveal my plans until it's sure.

I almost bought this car, it needs a new paint job due to standing under a hale storm and now the alternator is dead. The engine runs and the car can be driven, my buddy who lives in Tallin checked this out. http://eng.auto24.ee/used/1574351?id=1574351&cache_missing=1 Price is a basisi to negotiation, I got such a good offer that I would like to have also this car...

In the meantime I received a christmas present from my collegue; 1990 230TE that has been standing in storage for a year due to breakdown of the SLS (self levelling system). One power window is also dead plus I need to have MOT inspection done, anyhow the brakes plus all other safety issues have to be checked.

http://s194.photobucket.com/user/karra_010/library/230%20TE?sort=3&page=1

Kari Pykäläinen

1971 6.3 #5581
1987 560 SEC
1996 C180 A
1995 Tahoe 350cid
1980 Stingray SV175 boat
karra
4/29/2014 12:31 PM
I drove with the 230TE for a couple of months and sold the car a week ago. Before selling the station wagon I bought a 1998 ML 320 in an auction, here in Finland. It was a bargain; price was roughly a half what people ask for those. Luckily no hidden faults; only a cracked windshield (passes MOT with it though) and a bit more rust in the wheel arches than expected. Originally a Swedish car, metallic green on tan leather, just like my Chevy.

560SEC as well as 300 SEL 6.3 pulled out from storage; they run well of course [:p] .

Kari Pykäläinen

1971 6.3 #5581
1987 560 SEC
1996 C180 A
1995 Tahoe 350cid
1998 ML 320
1980 Stingray SV175 boat
karra
12/19/2014 5:06 PM
In fact the day I posted the previous message, being frustrated in waiting the Title (of the 450SEL 6.9 I bought in January) to come up I found a fair 380 SL for sale in central Finland. I had to buy it on May 4th as it was a good solid car but just a bit neglected.

My plan was to do a quick restoration (like on Fast And Loud) and to sell it befor the 6.9 arrives from the U.S.

The car needed a new set of seat upholstery (I bought Palomino-coloured from TopsOnline.com), correct 6.5" Bundts with new 205/70 tires, a Becker radio plus s/s windscreen wiper blades. Plus a wash and polishing, and some detailing in the engine bay and trunk.

The car was inspected late June by MBC Finland H-Plates officers and it passed well.

But, nobody wanted to buy the car; I was asking 13k€ in the beginning, then dropped to 12k and finally 11k in September. Now the car is stored for the next driving season.

All my photos are here:

http://s194.photobucket.com/user/karra_010/library/1981%20380%20SL





Kari Pykäläinen

1971 6.3 #5581
1980 6.9 #7201
1981 380 SL
1987 560 SEC
1996 C180 A
1998 ML 320
1995 Tahoe 350cid
1980 Stingray SV175 boat
http://suomi.mercedes-benz-clubs.com/
Ron B
12/29/2014 4:10 AM
ahh the poor old 107. Nothing wrong with them as a car but never try selling one. I managed to sell one I was going to repower with a 6.9 but it had the usual rust everywhere . A couple of years later I am at a concours in Brisbane and there is my old 450SLC on display....[:D][:D]

quote:
12-14-2004, 11:49 PM #8
Tom Hanson
MBCA Member

What the heck, try to stuff a MB 6.9 liter V8 in it. What a machine that would be..
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Orange County Section
karra
12/29/2014 8:57 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Ron B

Nothing wrong with them as a car.
Yes, if the all 155 hp are still available [:D] . The US engine runs well under 3000 rpm and gives enough torque for usual commuting. Over 3000 rpm there is nothing ... [:)]

Our local markets have a lots of these for sale and the value of the cars has gone down a lot due to import from the United States.

Kari Pykäläinen

1971 6.3 #5581
1980 6.9 #7201
1981 380 SL
1987 560 SEC
1996 C180 A
1998 ML 320
1995 Tahoe 350cid
1980 Stingray SV175 boat
http://suomi.mercedes-benz-clubs.com/
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